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meme1961 Junior Member   Join Date: September 18, 2011 Posts: 181 Religion: Catholic

Re: Sola Scriptura... Quote: Originally Posted by aidanbradypop Didn't say anything about political. If one believes that the invisible church is the only one then the authority of the Church to do anything would come into question. Right? How so? Logically, the invisible Church is made visible in, at the very least, each believer. For a Protestant to deny the authority of the Church is especially difficult to sustain, as a Protestant views himself as a priest, and thus, has the authority to act on behalf of the Church, as a priest of that Church. To deny ONESELF the authority to act is to nullify one's own validity as a priest, yes? The problem with most non-Catholics is that they don't truly understand the multi-modal nature of the Church. Yes, it has human beings in it, but it is not a human construct. Yes, human constructs are often times fatally flawed. Yet the Church is not a human construct, and moreover, God gave her special gifts and powers. To judge the Church as "just another human construct" is to make the fundamental error of arguing from a false equivalence. Holy Mother Church has no equivalents.

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aidanbradypop Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: January 15, 2013 Location: Diocese of North Dakota Posts: 2,688 Religion: Episcopalian (High Church)

Re: Sola Scriptura... Quote: Originally Posted by meme1961 How so? Logically, the invisible Church is made visible in, at the very least, each believer. Right....the "invisible" is made visible by the believers. Quote: For a Protestant to deny the authority of the Church is especially difficult to sustain, as a Protestant views himself as a priest, and thus, has the authority to act on behalf of the Church, as a priest of that Church. Not sure they all believe that way as I do not believe that. Quote: To deny ONESELF the authority to act is to nullify one's own validity as a priest, yes? Maybe Quote: The problem with most non-Catholics is that they don't truly understand the multi-modal nature of the Church. Yes, it has human beings in it, but it is not a human construct. Yes, human constructs are often times fatally flawed. Yet the Church is not a human construct, and moreover, God gave her special gifts and powers. I would not disagree with this. Careful on the grouping all non Catholics in the same group. Quote: To judge the Church as "just another human construct" is to make the fundamental error of arguing from a false equivalence. Holy Mother Church has no equivalents. You have those non Catholics that believe the "Church" is merely the followers of Christ. You have other non Catholics that believe there is OHCAC but not only found just in the Roman Church. __________________ Dustin No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again; this charge I have received from my Father. John 10:18

#378     Today, 9:29 am

FathersKnowBest Junior Member   Join Date: April 1, 2009 Posts: 403 Religion: Catholic

Re: Sola Scriptura... Quote: Originally Posted by aidanbradypop You have those non Catholics that believe the "Church" is merely the followers of Christ. You have other non Catholics that believe there is OHCAC but not only found just in the Roman Church. Didn't some wise person once say that a house divided against itself cannot stand?

#379     Today, 9:30 am

aidanbradypop Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: January 15, 2013 Location: Diocese of North Dakota Posts: 2,688 Religion: Episcopalian (High Church)

Re: Sola Scriptura... Quote: Originally Posted by FathersKnowBest Didn't some wise person once say that a house divided against itself cannot stand? Well a house can have many different ones, yet still remain one house. __________________ Dustin No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again; this charge I have received from my Father. John 10:18

#380     Today, 10:10 am

FathersKnowBest Junior Member   Join Date: April 1, 2009 Posts: 403 Religion: Catholic

Re: Sola Scriptura... Quote: Originally Posted by aidanbradypop Well a house can have many different ones, Not sure what this means. Rooms? Quote: yet still remain one house. Assuming you meant rooms, I'd agree. However, this is a good analogy for such things as Jesuits, Carmelites, etc. NOT protestant denominations which disagree with each other and with the OHCAC. The rooms can't be opposed to each other and still stand. At least according to Christ.

#381     Today, 10:12 am

specialone Trial Membership   Join Date: December 19, 2013 Posts: 1 Religion: former catholic

Re: Sola Scriptura... i suppose this discussion-- will always be as aspec--certainly with the ruling of the counsl of trent-- but i managed to get the baptism of the Holy Spirit -- with power -- in a non-catholic forum-- where as -- as a "confirmed " 4th grader in elelementary catholic school-- non of the students - seemed to get any additional impart -- with this ceremony.. the salvation is pretty clear-- Jesus breathed on his deciples and they received that level of Holy Spirit empowerment-- then he said -- wait for the power of the Holy Spirit- Father roberet Degrandis -- seems to have a understanding-- of what the power of the spirit is-- Spiritual Warfare Prayer - by Father Robert DeGrandis, S.S.J. copiosa.org/spirituality/spiritual_warfare.htm‎ Spiritual Warfare Prayer. by Father Robert DeGrandis, S.S.J.. angelbar.gif (3645 bytes). Heavenly Father, I love You, I praise You, and I worship You. I thank You ... Forgiveness Prayer - Father Robert DeGrandis S.S.J. and Betty ... mp3pray.com/forgivenessprayer/‎ Forgiveness Prayer - From the book by Father Robert DeGrandis S.S.J. and Betty Tapscott: Forgiveness & Inner Healing; Twenty-fourth Printing September 2001 ...