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Re: Sola Scriptura... Quote: Originally Posted by aidanbradypop Didn't say anything about political. If one believes that the invisible church is the only one then the authority of the Church to do anything would come into question. Right? How so? Logically, the invisible Church is made visible in, at the very least, each believer. For a Protestant to deny the authority of the Church is especially difficult to sustain, as a Protestant views himself as a priest, and thus, has the authority to act on behalf of the Church, as a priest of that Church. To deny ONESELF the authority to act is to nullify one's own validity as a priest, yes? The problem with most non-Catholics is that they don't truly understand the multi-modal nature of the Church. Yes, it has human beings in it, but it is not a human construct. Yes, human constructs are often times fatally flawed. Yet the Church is not a human construct, and moreover, God gave her special gifts and powers. To judge the Church as "just another human construct" is to make the fundamental error of arguing from a false equivalence. Holy Mother Church has no equivalents.

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aidanbradypop Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: January 15, 2013 Location: Diocese of North Dakota Posts: 2,688 Religion: Episcopalian (High Church)

Re: Sola Scriptura... Quote: Originally Posted by meme1961 How so? Logically, the invisible Church is made visible in, at the very least, each believer. Right....the "invisible" is made visible by the believers. Quote: For a Protestant to deny the authority of the Church is especially difficult to sustain, as a Protestant views himself as a priest, and thus, has the authority to act on behalf of the Church, as a priest of that Church. Not sure they all believe that way as I do not believe that. Quote: To deny ONESELF the authority to act is to nullify one's own validity as a priest, yes? Maybe Quote: The problem with most non-Catholics is that they don't truly understand the multi-modal nature of the Church. Yes, it has human beings in it, but it is not a human construct. Yes, human constructs are often times fatally flawed. Yet the Church is not a human construct, and moreover, God gave her special gifts and powers. I would not disagree with this. Careful on the grouping all non Catholics in the same group. Quote: To judge the Church as "just another human construct" is to make the fundamental error of arguing from a false equivalence. Holy Mother Church has no equivalents. You have those non Catholics that believe the "Church" is merely the followers of Christ. You have other non Catholics that believe there is OHCAC but not only found just in the Roman Church. __________________ Dustin No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again; this charge I have received from my Father. John 10:18

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FathersKnowBest Junior Member   Join Date: April 1, 2009 Posts: 403 Religion: Catholic

Re: Sola Scriptura... Quote: Originally Posted by aidanbradypop You have those non Catholics that believe the "Church" is merely the followers of Christ. You have other non Catholics that believe there is OHCAC but not only found just in the Roman Church. Didn't some wise person once say that a house divided against itself cannot stand?

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aidanbradypop Regular Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: January 15, 2013 Location: Diocese of North Dakota Posts: 2,688 Religion: Episcopalian (High Church)

Re: Sola Scriptura... Quote: Originally Posted by FathersKnowBest Didn't some wise person once say that a house divided against itself cannot stand? Well a house can have many different ones, yet still remain one house. __________________ Dustin No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again; this charge I have received from my Father. John 10:18

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Re: Sola Scriptura... Quote: Originally Posted by aidanbradypop Well a house can have many different ones, Not sure what this means. Rooms? Quote: yet still remain one house. Assuming you meant rooms, I'd agree. However, this is a good analogy for such things as Jesuits, Carmelites, etc. NOT protestant denominations which disagree with each other and with the OHCAC. The rooms can't be opposed to each other and still stand. At least according to Christ.

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Re: Sola Scriptura... i suppose this discussion-- will always be as aspec--certainly with the ruling of the counsl of trent-- but i managed to get the baptism of the Holy Spirit -- with power -- in a non-catholic forum-- where as -- as a "confirmed " 4th grader in elelementary catholic school-- non of the students - seemed to get any additional impart -- with this ceremony.. the salvation is pretty clear-- Jesus breathed on his deciples and they received that level of Holy Spirit empowerment-- then he said -- wait for the power of the Holy Spirit- Father roberet Degrandis -- seems to have a understanding-- of what the power of the spirit is-- Spiritual Warfare Prayer - by Father Robert DeGrandis, S.S.J. copiosa.org/spirituality/spiritual_warfare.htm‎ Spiritual Warfare Prayer. by Father Robert DeGrandis, S.S.J.. angelbar.gif (3645 bytes). Heavenly Father, I love You, I praise You, and I worship You. I thank You ... Forgiveness Prayer - Father Robert DeGrandis S.S.J. and Betty ... mp3pray.com/forgivenessprayer/‎ Forgiveness Prayer - From the book by Father Robert DeGrandis S.S.J. and Betty Tapscott: Forgiveness & Inner Healing; Twenty-fourth Printing September 2001 ...

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      Limerickman here :
I'm a CAF member.

CAF mod...Wednesday, March 20, 2013 4:21 PMLimerickman here :
I'm a CAF member.

CAF moderators are a trigger happy bunch.
I've exchanged messages with a moderator called Robert Bay.

Robert Bay likes to throw his weight around on CAF website.Well, Rome has spoken many things, much of is open...Sunday, December 16, 2012 6:34 PMWell, Rome has spoken many things, much of is open to some interpretation and  some change, one example being  sanction by papal bull etc.,  of torture to extract confessions from theological opponents, while another pope later on (after Rome lost her use of the sword of men) utterly forbade it.

As regards a OWO, of course she is in favor of it, as this would be consistent with her history, as Rome claims universal  jurisdiction and  of coercive power over her own.

And as can no longer do so as before, she writes appeals which leave (true to form)  are somewhat vague and provides much that  supports a OWO:

ENCYCLICAL LETTER CARITAS IN VERITATE

67. To manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result; to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace; to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration: for all this, there is urgent need of a true world political authority, as my predecessor Blessed John XXIII indicated some years ago...

such an authority would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights. Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties..

They also require the construction of a social order that at last conforms to the moral order,..as envisaged by the Charter of the United Nations.”When I frist found Catholic Answers several years ...Saturday, December 15, 2012 8:07 PMWhen I frist found Catholic Answers several years ago, I was elated. At last a place to go for answers to tough questions. Well  I've asked several question over the years and have never gotten  a answer! I have one now. What is the feeling toward "One World Order"? I heard that our Pope is in favor of it. Could I get an answer or reply please.  You can also contact me at   poetranger234@hotmail.com    "God Bless"I have no idea of what the lies were, but there ar...Friday, October 19, 2012 8:08 PMI have no idea of what the lies were, but there are so many unScriptural things Rome has taught (from sanctioning the torture of theological dissidents to hindering Biblical literacy, etc.) but changed on, and does teach (from praying to the departed to purgatory, to declaring herself assuredly infallible etc.) that no lies are necessary.

And Rome herself has made use of extensive forgeries (http://www.christiantruth.com/articles/forgeries.html)  to provide what Scripture does not.

What the basis (Scripture, etc.)  for your assurance that Rome is the one true church?there is ALWAYS 2   sides to the story not saying ...Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:31 PMthere is ALWAYS 2   sides to the story not saying that you are lying but I'm sure there's more to it than what you are saying. I'm a recent convert from Baptist to Catholic from much studying the New Testament... and it's amazing how many lies I was told about the Catholic Church growing up. pray and Trust in Christ because Christ leads those who love him into all truth!!! :-)Just got banned today, after almost two years, and...Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:05 PMJust got banned today, after almost two years, and they let me say pretty much anything, but with charity-how else could one approach them. Forgot to put quotes on a quotation.got suspended. Then a buddy at work joined, just to check it out( same computer)and i couldn't help but help him out with some threads.Got caught and am banned now, for suspension circumvention. Enjoyed it ,learned a lot, but was very addicted. Hi PRmerger-enjoyed the journey. Sorry I wasn't more careful. BlessingsYes, sophistry is deceit as in "subtly decept...Friday, July 20, 2012 11:01 AMYes, sophistry is deceit as in "subtly deceptive reasoning or argumentation," (merriam-webster), which also abounds in Roman Catholicism, and which has made use of substantial   forgeries.

However, neither  pointing out as  sophistry such things as exaggerated Prot. claims of deaths by the Inquisitions, nor attempts to minimize it  does not itself mean one is showing contempt for the faith, versus contempt for sophistry.

But it is my experience that RCs are more prone to attack the motive or integrity of  any anything that even implicitly impugns their church, even statistics .To accuse someone of sophistry is the same as accu...Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:06 AMTo accuse someone of sophistry is the same as accusing them of lying. Look up the definition in a dictionary. If you accused someone of that to their face you'd likely catch a mouth full of knuckles, so how is it not insulting to Catholics (on their own forum no less!) to have you make such a remark about Pope Benedict XVI?

As for all of you that have been banned and badmouth the CAF mods and admins...I've been a member there since November of 2004 and have seen every sort of anti-Catholic attack attack dog that has come along. Some of you have about zero concept of either Christian charity or common civility and the moderation at CAF has prevented it from sinking to chaotic trash levels of CARM and Yahoo's boards.

Oh yeah ChurchMouse...this is "the other CM". That's right...Church Militant from CAF.I was banned from that forum...I could care less. ...Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:10 PMI was banned from that forum...I could care less. The moderating is horrible over there. They are clearly biased. If you conform with the Church's position and denigrate someone that doesn't, you'll get a pass. And if you respond in kind to that person but you might be perceived are less conforming, bye bye! Those mods act in a very un-Catholic fashion, and are a true embarrassment to the religion that they reputedly support.CA has some absolutely lousy moderators who have o...Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:11 PMCA has some absolutely lousy moderators who have over-sized heads and no common sense.  It's all about their personal beliefs--not a thing to do with Catholic beliefs--in fact, they make the Church look bad and misrepresent it.

 Whoever runs CA should boot out some of the mods--the bad and arrogant ones--and allow someone with a brain who is courteous and respectful of others to take over (note some of the mods are really good, though). 

These controlling airheads who are currently the mods (though not all are bad) should get a life. They can't tolerate anyone to disagree with their narrow little minds.  What pitiful little 'Barney Fifes' these people are. Sheesh.

C'mon CA, you can do much better.  There are many caring and faithful Catholics who could do the mods jobs 100% better!I can sympathize with being banned by the CA forum...Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:01 PMI can sympathize with being banned by the CA forum and I would agree, it seems unfair.  There are some moderators there who really do not seem to want to give every poster a fair shake--and know that I am a very faithful Catholic, so this is not about non-Catholics. It seems if one even charitably disagrees there, if by chance the moderator has a different personal viewpoint--and we're not even talking religious belief here--they don't stand a chance.  I now go to other forums.  BTW, please do check into things like Purgatory and other Catholic beliefs--and remember no where does it say 'everything' is in the Bible--many things are not!  I suggest 'Reverend Know-It-All''s website, as well as Relevant Radio to clear up any confusion www.relevantradio.com (can listen online--grean Q&A shows).  Thanks, a happy Catholic (though not happy about CA forums)churchmouse and Nathan,

Very much appreciate your...Friday, August 26, 2011 2:38 AMchurchmouse and Nathan,

Very much appreciate your comments, posts, and fairness. I was banned too, never given a reason, but that does not mean that there was not a violation of CAF rules.

 The exchanges between Catholics, Orthodox and Prostestants are very beneficial in understanding one another and one's faith.

If CAF focused more on this goal, rather than trying to defend every particular teaching of the Catholic Church it would be a very good medium for representing the Catholic church in her attempts
for unity in the spirit of humility, truth and love.

Especially, in a day and hour when we need to encourage and uphold one another. 

Peace, zarthan, byeveryword.To Anonymous,

Wow! Now THAT was a rant. With that...Thursday, April 14, 2011 8:53 PMTo Anonymous,

Wow! Now THAT was a rant. With that attitude I can see you getting booted from any forum, Catholic, Protestant, or other. If you can just get past your biases for a moment, you will see that even some Catholics, on the CAF forum and in this combox, thought I got a bum deal from the CAF moderator. It isn't a matter of "policing" but of fairness. To compare your forum experience with mine is just a bad comparison overall.

As to the claims of being here "first"? Sorry, some, such as I, don't buy into the premise that the catholic church of yore is none other then the Church of Rome. As you can read here on my blog, purgatory is but one example of a heterodoxy, one such doctrine that cannot be traced to the early "catholic" church. So, your assumption is simplistic at best and proves nothing. How many times have I heard Roman Catholics make the bad assumption that "age = orthodoxy." Believing that "we were here first" means nothing to someone who doesn't believe that you were, let alone teaches doctrines at variance with the early church.

So, you can take your imaginary "line" and keep believing you "were here first." Newman would be proud! Yet, you'll find me following Christ wherever HE leads and not in some makeshift "line."

CMThursday, April 14, 2011 8:50 PMThis comment has been removed by the author.I was posting in Christian Discussion forum a coup...Sunday, March 20, 2011 12:39 AMI was posting in Christian Discussion forum a couple months ago when they tossed out all the Catholics, JWs, and Mormons.  They give their site a name as broad as "Christian" but all must bow to the bent Protestant and Baptist doctrines, shutting out many other Christians.  You have a couple of Christianity's flakey offshoots, breakaways, and tagalongs deciding who else is Christian.  But Catholics have to tolerate those people coming into a forum labeled specifically for Catholics bashing our religion?  Not.

Sorry, if these other so-called Christian sites can police their boards, so can CAF.  Catholics are the oldest Christian religion--2,000 years old.  We were here first. Get back in line.Nathan and Anonymous,

I don't fault Catholics...Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:17 PMNathan and Anonymous,

I don't fault Catholics for the actions of a CAF moderator. Heck, I don't even fault Catholic Answers. To this day I see it as the actions of a lone gun with an itchy trigger finger. The rules, seemingly, are left to the interpretation of the moderator and, in this case, the moderator seems to take some liberties that are, probably, unbeknownst to the forum powers-that-be. If anything, CAF needs to pay more attention to those they appoint as moderators. Yet, through all the smoke, I know that no one is to blame but those with who take liberties with the authority given them. It's not a religious thing, but rather a personal action from someone who didn't like what I said even though I meant no disrespect. I'm a Protestant. Surely, he shouldn't expect me to behave as if I wasn't.

Thanks for the words of fairness and support.

Peace,
CMwow it looks like loads of people get banned, and ...Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:54 AMwow it looks like loads of people get banned, and the admins are out of control over there. They produced one lying post I saw that said only like 12 or so people were banned at any time. Not likely. Catholic Answer forums are really an embarassment to the Church.I am truly sorry about how your situation was hand...Friday, January 14, 2011 2:38 AMI am truly sorry about how your situation was handled. I came upon this while dialoguing with PadreJ off-forum, who was also banned from CAF for a seemingly trivial (if not non-existent) reason. I hope that you do not let this incident reflect poorly upon all Catholics. Catholic Answers are a prominent movement within the Catholic Church, but they are not The Church, no matter how strongly some members may present themselves as such. Have a Blessed week.I was locked out for life for being "impatien...Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:16 PMI was locked out for life for being "impatient".  Which was asking if there was an update four days after being told they would look into why I got banned for citing two antisemitic threads.

Boss is:

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   El Cajon 92020Hi PR! Nice of you to stop by. See where searching...Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:01 PMHi PR! Nice of you to stop by. See where searching the WWW lands you :) Pope Boniface??? I didn't realize I called him that (considering that I know he's Benedict). I guess much is to be said for proofreading :).

Yes, I pray that we ALL can come to the Truth of God's Word through the illumination of the Holy Spirit.

Peace,
CMWell! Churchmouse! PRmerger here from the CAFs.  I...Wednesday, August 11, 2010 8:52 PMWell! Churchmouse! PRmerger here from the CAFs.  Imagine my surprise that I stumbled over your blog, 6 months later, almost by chance...

(I was surfing the CAFs tonight and came across a "sticky" note about banning/suspensions...and decided to do a google search to see if anyone outside the CAFs had posted comments about having been banned by the mods, and, voila, your blog popped up!)

I enjoyed your sly reference to our discussions about spelling/grammar...(refusal/refussal)

(NB: Joseph Ratzinger is Pope Benedict XVI, not Pope Boniface XVI)

Now, I won't comment on your banning, lest my membership on the CAFs be questioned by the mods--and I LOVE being on the CAFs way too much to risk it, even way out here in the blogosphere...but I will say I am sorry that you were banned. 

Good luck in your search for Truth.  If you seek, you shall find.

Your Sis in Christ,
-PR<i>You&#39;re banned at CAF.
BARM is almost exclus...Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:11 PMYou're banned at CAF.
BARM is almost exclusively Tagalog now.

Gee...now I have no where to go :-)

Perhaps its time that you devote yourself to this blog-- or maybe at James Swan's Beggars All.

Jim's been after me for awhile to become a contributor. However, I have a hard enough time finding "thought" time to use on my own blog. As soon as I can lessen my load (in life), maybe I can do both, that is if the invitation is still open.

As always, nice hearing from you Tinubos.

CMYou&#39;re banned at CAF.
BARM is almost exclusive...Monday, February 15, 2010 9:49 PMYou're banned at CAF.
BARM is almost exclusively Tagalog now.

Perhaps its time that you devote yourself to this blog-- or maybe at James Swan's Beggars All.

Medjugorje in Context

Medjugorje in Context

Medjugorje in Context

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NOTE TO READERS:

I HAVE TO FIX THIS POST BECAUSE I DELETED THE BLOG.  BUT THE INFORMATION IS STILL VALID.  IT'S FRIDAY MARCH 30TH, I'LL TRY AND GET TO THIS BY MONDAY.
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I have never been an avid Medjugorje follower, though I have written about it before.  Recently, I had several people try to convince me it's either a hoax or a case of something demonic.  Okay, I'll look into this, I thought.

This is what I found: it's all the detractors who seem to be lying and manipulating.  I mean every one I've read.  I don't want to go on about this here, which is why I'm doing the other blog.  Check it out, it's new and raw and needs work, but it's also important.

WHY - how can we possibly need another Medjugorje blog?

Because of Fatima. Before I tell you about Fatima, I have a question: why is it when one guy suggests the Vatican withheld the actual 3rd secret they are a conspiracy nut but when another guy proposes a worldwide 30 year long hoax he is a rational faithful Catholic?

Fatima is why I started the blog on Medjugorje.   That book you see here with the lurid cover and the price tag (it's all online for free, BTW) is actually a fairly interesting read.  You have to get past the various writers' agenda-pushing, but you can't blame them if they are correct, and they seem to have actual facts and history on their side.

Their contention is that the 3rd "secret" of Fatima that is on the Vatican website is not what Sr Lucy received and wrote.  What we all know who remember 1960 is that the last that part of the message was to be opened in 1960.  This would be a message she received in 1917!  So everyone  waited. It was also to be opened by a Portuguese Bishop and made public.  Specifically.  But the Vatican asked for the sealed envelope in which she put it to be sent to them, Pope John XXIII read it in 1960 and refused to make it public.   According to those men who did read the 3rd secret of Fatima, it had to do with apostasy entering the Church starting at the top.  In 1962, John XXIII opened Vatican 2 and the apostasy of Karl Rahner and his ilk reigned.

Read it here and judge for yourself.  Anyway, everyone ignored the Virgin Mary's Fatima  messages and every single horrible thing Mary predicted happened.  Why is this a big deal and what does it have to do with Medjugorje?

Why is Medjugorje so different?

It actually isn't that different.  But the visionaries are different, if, indeed, they are all genuinely receiving and reporting apparitions.  Mary came to Fatima, worked in her usual manner and her chosen object became a lifelong religious and...  the Church failed us by failing God's chosen messenger.   So, possibly, because of the very serious nature of what is coming, because time is woefully short (relatively) she picked a bunch of people who would go into the world and carry that message themselves.  Continuously.  For over 30 years now.

Keep in mind that part of the new Post Vat 2 theology, for want of a better word, is that "God doesn't reach into reality and change natural law."  That is: no apparitions.  Mary put her message into the a hands of people the Church couldn't stop: people who didn't become religious or priests.  Protestants like Wayne Weible, for one.  People came who had money, didn't speak Croatian, and never heard of the Bishop.  Vat 2 had made people kind of rebellious and independent.  Okay, God brings good out of everything, and He can certainly  use that through Mary to bring us the message that:

 We must pray to get the sign to appear that will be the saving grace of souls that will be be lost if they do not convert before the Great Chastisement.

In Context, you have to go further than Fatima to see how long Mary has been coming to ask for prayer for sinners, and Prophesying punishment.  You can go back at least to LaSalette in 1846.  If the Church, in the persons of it's Popes and leaders, had simply done as a she asked, the world would look very different now.  I have come to believe this.  I have also come to believe that there is only one who benefits from trashing Medjugorje and that's the Liar.

So, this what I am doing.  If you have strong opinions one way or another on the subject, please comment.

God bless you all and please pray.  No matter what you believe or don't, a little more prayer is a good thing, right?

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